Untouchables List for UFL 3

A first look draft at the The Untouchables List for UFL 3:

Tried to keep it down to one player on O and one player on D for each team but some were tough. Obviously once the ratings come out these can/will change.

NFC East
• Dallas Cowboys – DeMarcus Ware, Miles Austin
• New York Giants – Hakeem Nicks, Justin Tuck
• Philadelphia Eagles – Mike Vick, Trent Cole, Desean Jackson
• Washington Redskins – Laron Landry, Chris Cooley
AFC East
• Buffalo Bills – CJ Spiller, Jarius Byrd
• Miami Dolphins – Brandon Marshall, Cameron Wake
• New England Patriots – Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork
• New York Jets – Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold, Mark Sanchez
NFC West
• Arizona Cardinals – Larry Fitzgerald, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Adrian Wilson
• San Francisco 49ers – Vernan Davis, Patrick Willis, Frank Gore
• Seattle Seahawks - Lofa Tatupu
• St. Louis Rams - James Laurinaitis, Sam Bradford, Chris Long
AFC West
• Denver Broncos – Tim Tebow, Champ Bailey
• Kansas City Chiefs – Jamal Charles, Tamba Hali, Eric Berry
• Oakland Raiders – Darren McFadden, Asomugha, Nnamdi*
• San Diego Chargers - Antonio Gates, Phillip Rivers, Shaun Phillips
NFC North
• Chicago Bears – Julius Peppers, Devin Hester, Jay Cutler
• Detroit Lions – Calvin Johnson, Ndamukong Suh
• Green Bay Packers – Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews
• Minnesota Vikings – Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen
AFC North
• Baltimore Ravens – Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice
• Cincinnati Bengals – AJ Green, Rey Maualuga
• Cleveland Browns –Peyton Hillis, Josh Cribbs, TJ Ward
• Pittsburgh Steelers – Troy Polamalu, Ben Roethlisberger
NFC South
• Atlanta Falcons – Matt Ryan, Roddy White, John Abraham
• Carolina Panthers – Cam Newton, Jon Beason
• New Orleans Saints – Drew Brees, Jon Vilma
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Josh Freeman, Gerald McCoy, Aqib Talib
AFC South
• Houston Texans – Andre Johnson, Mario Williams, Arian Foster
• Indianapolis Colts – Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne
• Jacksonville Jaguars – Maurice Jones-Drew, Daryl Smith
• Tennessee Titans – Chris Johnson, Cortland Finnegan

I like the list Ant. I believe though that we might want to get more than one player on O and D. Plus I think rookies should be off that list and we should have a rule where rookies must stay on their original team for 2 or 3 years. Same thing with last years rookies I think. I believe a player should have 3 years of experience with his team before being traded. Here are some players that I think could be on the list. I'm not saying I'm right, it's just my opinion. Sure ratings will matter once we get them though. My thinking is that these players are part of the foundation of the football team. In the end, I think 2 on O and D would be a good number.

NFC East
• Dallas Cowboys – DeMarcus Ware, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Dez Bryant
• New York Giants – Hakeem Nicks, Justin Tuck, Jason Pierre-Paul, Kenny Phillips
• Philadelphia Eagles – Mike Vick, Trent Cole, Desean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Brandon Graham, Nate Allen
• Washington Redskins – Laron Landry, Chris Cooley, Brian Orakpo, DeAngelo Hall
AFC East
• Buffalo Bills – CJ Spiller, Jarius Byrd, Steve Johnson, Kyle Williams, Leodis McKelvin
• Miami Dolphins – Brandon Marshall, Cameron Wake, Jake Long, Vontae Davis
• New England Patriots – Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty
• New York Jets – Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold, Mark Sanchez, Kyle Wilson
NFC West
• Arizona Cardinals – Larry Fitzgerald, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Adrian Wilson
• San Francisco 49ers – Vernan Davis, Patrick Willis, Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree
• Seattle Seahawks - Lofa Tatupu, Aaron Curry, Earl Thomas
• St. Louis Rams - James Laurinaitis, Sam Bradford, Chris Long, Steven Jackson
AFC West
• Denver Broncos – Tim Tebow, Champ Bailey, Knowshon Moreno, Elvis Dumervil
• Kansas City Chiefs – Jamal Charles, Tamba Hali, Eric Berry, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Flowers
• Oakland Raiders – Darren McFadden, Asomugha, Nnamdi*, Zach Miller, Rolando McClain
• San Diego Chargers - Antonio Gates, Phillip Rivers, Shaun Phillips, Ryan Matthews
NFC North
• Chicago Bears – Julius Peppers, Devin Hester, Jay Cutler, Matt Forte, Greg Olsen, Brian Urlacher
• Detroit Lions – Calvin Johnson, Ndamukong Suh, Matt Stafford
• Green Bay Packers – Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings, B.J Raji, Nick Collins
• Minnesota Vikings – Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen, Percy Harvin
AFC North
• Baltimore Ravens – Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Joe Flacco, Haloti Ngata, Terrell Suggs,
• Cincinnati Bengals – AJ Green, Rey Maualuga, Jermaine Gresham, Keith Rivers, Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph
• Cleveland Browns – Peyton Hillis, Josh Cribbs, TJ Ward, Colt McCoy, Joe Haden, Joe Thomas
• Pittsburgh Steelers – Troy Polamalu, Ben Roethlisberger, Rashard Mendenhall, Mike Wallace, Hines Ward, Lamarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons
NFC South
• Atlanta Falcons – Matt Ryan, Roddy White, John Abraham, Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez,
• Carolina Panthers – Cam Newton, Jon Beason, Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams
• New Orleans Saints – Drew Brees, Jon Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, Malcolm Jenkins
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Josh Freeman, Gerald McCoy, Aqib Talib, Mike Williams, Arrelious Benn
AFC South
• Houston Texans – Andre Johnson, Mario Williams, Arian Foster, Brian Cushing
• Indianapolis Colts – Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Antoine Bethea
• Jacksonville Jaguars – Maurice Jones-Drew, Daryl Smith, Marcedes Lewis, Justin Durant
• Tennessee Titans – Chris Johnson, Cortland Finnegan, Kenny Britt, Michael Griffin


Again, this is only my opinion. It would be nice to have the input of everyone so that this very hard task isn't on the shoulder of one person.

For the most part, i agree with JP on this. The big question is where you draw the line and who is really an elite player that should be considered a franchise guy.

oo0o0o no he didn't lmao Kyle Wilson* ? David harris over him by miles lol Jets refused to trade david harris for Brandon Marshall just shows how valuable he truly is to the jets ! =]

It's ok Jersey, it's exactly the discussion we need to have. Plus with the rule I'm suggesting, K.Wilson would need to play two years with the Jets in M12 to be traded. That's my opinion.

The thing is, a lot of those guys are not franchise type players..Perhaps we should just do a general list. So if a team happens to have no frachise type guys on their team, then so be it. They can move whoever except for 1st round rookies.

Demarcus Ware
Michael Vick
Desean Jackson
Tom Brady
Revis
Vernon Davis
Willis
Gore
Fitzgerald
Hali
Berry
Champ Bailey(may be too old)
Rivers
Gates
Asomugha
Peppers
Urlacher (age)
Calvin Johnson
Suh
Rodgers
Clay Matthews
Greg Jennings
Adrian Peterson
Jared Allen
Ed reed
Ray Lewis (age)
Suggs
Ngata
Polomalu
Roflberger
James Harrison
Matt Ryan
Roddy White
Gonzalez (age?)
Josh Freeman
Andre Johnson
Mario Williams
Arian Foster
manning
Wayne
MJD
Chris Johnson

These guys are household names. I might of missed a few, but i think these are some of the player types that should be deemed franchised...

Nobody in the redskins in my opinion should be a franchise player. Many on the list are very good players, but I wouldnt say are untouchable...

Jackhammerrabbit wrote:The thing is, a lot of those guys are not franchise type players..Perhaps we should just do a general list. So if a team happens to have no frachise type guys on their team, then so be it. They can move whoever except for 1st round rookies.

Demarcus Ware
Michael Vick
Desean Jackson
Tom Brady
Revis
Vernon Davis
Willis
Gore
Fitzgerald
Hali
Berry
Champ Bailey(may be too old)
Rivers
Gates
Asomugha
Peppers
Urlacher (age)
Calvin Johnson
Suh
Rodgers
Clay Matthews
Greg Jennings
Adrian Peterson
Jared Allen
Ed reed
Ray Lewis (age)
Suggs
Ngata
Polomalu
Roflberger
James Harrison
Matt Ryan
Roddy White
Gonzalez (age?)
Josh Freeman
Andre Johnson
Mario Williams
Arian Foster
manning
Wayne
MJD
Chris Johnson

These guys are household names. I might of missed a few, but i think these are some of the player types that should be deemed franchised...

Nobody in the redskins in my opinion should be a franchise player. Many on the list are very good players, but I wouldnt say are untouchable...

I think you hit most of them Jack, although I think we can leave a lot of those guys off the list. Keep in mind this is just people who cannot under any circumstance be traded. Leaving a guy off the list like Mario Williams doesn't mean he'll be approved for trade, just that he isn't restricted. Guys who I would add and keep in mind this is pending ratings too;

- Drew Brees (franchise QB)
- Joe Flacco (franchise QB)
- Jamaal Charles (franchise HB)(maybe?)

Durant won't be a Jag....already sold his house in the city. I think the team already told him they are moving on.

i think some of these names are ridiculous.

i just think this whole list thing is gonna take away a lot from the fun of building a team. i think the list should be 1 player per team and ONLY if that player is rated above 90 OR they're a franchise QB like a bradford, stafford, sanchez etc...

Its two years of madden is the reason why we should implement trade provisions.

WrightNReyes wrote:i think some of these names are ridiculous.

i just think this whole list thing is gonna take away a lot from the fun of building a team. i think the list should be 1 player per team and ONLY if that player is rated above 90 OR they're a franchise QB like a bradford, stafford, sanchez etc...

My list of untouchables will be much shorter. I think the lists by Ant and JP are a good list of guys who will come under heavy trade scrutiny should they be involved. I don't even have Bradford, Stafford or Sanchez on my list.

Here is my list of Untouchables;

QB's:
Brady
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Ryan
Flacco

HB's:
Peterson
CJ2k
MJD

WR's:
Andre Johnson
Fitzgerald
Megatron
DJax

DEFENSE:
Ware
Willis
Matthews
Revis
Polamalu
Reed

Some of these depend on ratings too. Eric Berry or Earl Thomas could be on this list depending on ratings. I think Berry should be on the list, but for the most part defensive players are so interchangeable in Madden I have a hard putting a lot of guys on here.

Well I'll go with whatever you guys want, but I don't understand why guys like Stafford, Bradford and Sanchez wouldn't be on that list. Personally, I think the shorter the list is, the more wild crazy trade will happen. This all depends on what the # of trade is allowed and the kind of trade too (2 vs 2, 1 vs 1, etc). That's my .02

jp_0988 wrote:Well I'll go with whatever you guys want, but I don't understand why guys like Stafford, Bradford and Sanchez wouldn't be on that list. Personally, I think the shorter the list is, the more wild crazy trade will happen. This all depends on what the # of trade is allowed and the kind of trade too (2 vs 2, 1 vs 1, etc). That's my .02

Like I said JP we are a little premature in our discussions, but I don't think Stafford or Bradford will carry the rating to merit Untouchable status. Sanchez might. I do want the team owners to have as much control as possible over their teams, my short list is basically the guys I feel need to stay on their respective team.

I encourage the discussion as it's all our league.

Sway, how can you not have Asomugha on that list?

Without it (like the players) I refuse to sign.

Sway wrote:

jp_0988 wrote:Well I'll go with whatever you guys want, but I don't understand why guys like Stafford, Bradford and Sanchez wouldn't be on that list. Personally, I think the shorter the list is, the more wild crazy trade will happen. This all depends on what the # of trade is allowed and the kind of trade too (2 vs 2, 1 vs 1, etc). That's my .02

Like I said JP we are a little premature in our discussions, but I don't think Stafford or Bradford will carry the rating to merit Untouchable status. Sanchez might. I do want the team owners to have as much control as possible over their teams, my short list is basically the guys I feel need to stay on their respective team.


I encourage the discussion as it's all our league.

Maybe I don't view it the same way, but I think it goes beyond the ratings, it's about potential too I believe. What are the chances a guy like Stafford, Bradford or Sanchez gets traded in the NFL? Slim to none.... I understand your point of not having too much player on the list so that owners can still build their team. NFL teams build through free agency and the draft, but without the exact salary cap, players contracts, restricted and unrestricted free agents, it's though to follow this and really make owners build through the draft and FA. With this perspective, I understand the list of untouchables.

Sway wrote:

WrightNReyes wrote:i think some of these names are ridiculous.

i just think this whole list thing is gonna take away a lot from the fun of building a team. i think the list should be 1 player per team and ONLY if that player is rated above 90 OR they're a franchise QB like a bradford, stafford, sanchez etc...

My list of untouchables will be much shorter. I think the lists by Ant and JP are a good list of guys who will come under heavy trade scrutiny should they be involved. I don't even have Bradford, Stafford or Sanchez on my list.

Here is my list of Untouchables;

QB's:
Brady
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Ryan
Flacco

HB's:
Peterson
CJ2k
MJD

WR's:
Andre Johnson
Fitzgerald
Megatron
DJax

DEFENSE:
Ware
Willis
Matthews
Revis
Polamalu
Reed

Some of these depend on ratings too. Eric Berry or Earl Thomas could be on this list depending on ratings. I think Berry should be on the list, but for the most part defensive players are so interchangeable in Madden I have a hard putting a lot of guys on here.

that looks better

Sway, just a suggestion... Instead of creating a list, perhaps have the owners themselves designate players as franchise players on their roster. The minimum requirement of the number of players a team is required to designate could be based on how many players that team has that are the minimum overall requirement or higher. You can set the length of the tag and the requirement parameters based on age and overall rating once the player ratings are released.

So for example, if the threshold overall rating is set to be 80ovr or higher, each team would need to indicate how many players they have on their roster that are 80ovr or greater. You could establish tiers like 0-5 players would require one tag; 6-10 = two tags; 11-15 = three tags; and so on. If Team A has 9 players that are 80ovr or higher, they would need to franchise two players that meet the franchise tag requirements (not just a couple of scrubs). Once each team has tagged the appropriate players, the tagged players would be untradeable AND unreleasable for however long you have pre-determined the tag will last (ex. two seasons).

Again, the above is just an example, but it would make things more "equal" based on each individual roster's talent for the most part. Not only that, it would allow the owners to be "empowered", and you can certainly "veto" any garbage tag designations and require that the owner name a different player of greater value to their team.

Sway and the rest...

I love the idea of untouchables, but, I don't think every team NEEDS to have 1 on offense and 1 on defense... Honestly, some teams might only have 1 legit superstar, and some don't have any...

I like the way sway set it up... Just go through Positions for the entire league, and then list those players and don't really worry about their team per say...

For example, for the Browns, I don't think you should be forced to keep McCoy if you really don't think he is your guy. He hasn't shown much in real life, and shouldn't even be in the conversation when talking about "franchise" Quarterbacks... btw, as a Browns Season tix holder, I have the right to say these things, not you all

Same thing goes for other teams. I think the obvious names like Brady, Manning, Rogers, Rivers and so on should be on their. But again, I don't think every team has to have "untouchable" players.

Im fine either way.

I really don't think you we need any training wheels on trades but I know I am in the minority on that, although I do see the value in maintaining a teams core. That said, I do like the way we are headed in terms of 1 or 2 untouchables only per team.

Question. Are we still having zero trades in the first season?

CHUNKNESS wrote:Sway, just a suggestion... Instead of creating a list, perhaps have the owners themselves designate players as franchise players on their roster. The minimum requirement of the number of players a team is required to designate could be based on how many players that team has that are the minimum overall requirement or higher. You can set the length of the tag and the requirement parameters based on age and overall rating once the player ratings are released.

So for example, if the threshold overall rating is set to be 80ovr or higher, each team would need to indicate how many players they have on their roster that are 80ovr or greater. You could establish tiers like 0-5 players would require one tag; 6-10 = two tags; 11-15 = three tags; and so on. If Team A has 9 players that are 80ovr or higher, they would need to franchise two players that meet the franchise tag requirements (not just a couple of scrubs). Once each team has tagged the appropriate players, the tagged players would be untradeable AND unreleasable for however long you have pre-determined the tag will last (ex. two seasons).

Again, the above is just an example, but it would make things more "equal" based on each individual roster's talent for the most part. Not only that, it would allow the owners to be "empowered", and you can certainly "veto" any garbage tag designations and require that the owner name a different player of greater value to their team.

I kinda like that idea

The only thing that is not good about "untouchables" is that it does kind of hamper the ability of older teams to retool their team.

Take the Colts for example, I don't think Peyton Manning will retire during UFL3, but, if we get 5 seasons into it, and Peyton is 39 years old you know he is gonna be on his was out soon. But, if someone were to offer you a 1st round pick for his services in his last season, you'd be a fool not to take it. A 1st round pick, for Manning for 1 season might seem unfair to some, but, if the team dealing the 1st rounder feels that they are 1 player away, it would make sense to "go for it" that season.

Teams get rid of their big name players all the time (not as much as in UFL) but, they do get rid of them. Look at the Patriots, Steelers just as examples. When they have an older player on the back end of his career, they look to deal them away for draft picks. If that player is an untouchable, than, the team that has his is kinda stuck with him.

Overall, I love the idea. But there are a few things I would change.

1. not every team has player worthy of being "untouchable" If you have to dig deep and really think about who should be a teams untouchable player, than, chances are that team doesn't have anyone worthy.

2. some sort of exceptions might need to be allowed. like i listed above, if you have 2 veterans owners willing to make a deal like the one i listed above, then i think we might need to allow that.

I think CeeGee has a good point here.

CeeGee wrote:The only thing that is not good about "untouchables" is that it does kind of hamper the ability of older teams to retool their team.

Take the Colts for example, I don't think Peyton Manning will retire during UFL3, but, if we get 5 seasons into it, and Peyton is 39 years old you know he is gonna be on his was out soon. But, if someone were to offer you a 1st round pick for his services in his last season, you'd be a fool not to take it. A 1st round pick, for Manning for 1 season might seem unfair to some, but, if the team dealing the 1st rounder feels that they are 1 player away, it would make sense to "go for it" that season.

Teams get rid of their big name players all the time (not as much as in UFL) but, they do get rid of them. Look at the Patriots, Steelers just as examples. When they have an older player on the back end of his career, they look to deal them away for draft picks. If that player is an untouchable, than, the team that has his is kinda stuck with him.

Overall, I love the idea. But there are a few things I would change.

1. not every team has player worthy of being "untouchable" If you have to dig deep and really think about who should be a teams untouchable player, than, chances are that team doesn't have anyone worthy.

2. some sort of exceptions might need to be allowed. like i listed above, if you have 2 veterans owners willing to make a deal like the one i listed above, then i think we might need to allow that.

I agree some teams don't have any Untouchables. I don't want this to be a big list like my post before stated I had around 20 guys total. As far as 4-5 seasons in trading off Peyton and such, I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there. With one team one dream if you've had the same team for 4+ seasons I might be willing to waive that tag in the 4th or 5th season, but definitely not in the "core" of Madden, which in my opinion is the first 3 seasons. Good stuff nonetheless.

Im gonna have to lean with CG on this. Some teams should have franchise guys, some shouldnt. As far as the niners, Id take Gore off that list. They locked Willis and Davis up until like 2017, but Gore's contract expires after this season and they arent looking to bring him back. Just because they are pretty good, doesnt mean that they are a Franchise player. Unfortunately, you have to know the teams pretty intimately to know who their franchise guys are, so there is no way one person could make a true list like this.

bison160 wrote:Im gonna have to lean with CG on this. Some teams should have franchise guys, some shouldnt. As far as the niners, Id take Gore off that list. They locked Willis and Davis up until like 2017, but Gore's contract expires after this season and they arent looking to bring him back. Just because they are pretty good, doesnt mean that they are a Franchise player. Unfortunately, you have to know the teams pretty intimately to know who their franchise guys are, so there is no way one person could make a true list like this.

Gore's not on my list. Personally I think RB's are replaceable that's why I only have 3 on there..